From: "markpnp@yahoo.com" Reply-To: "markpnp@yahoo.com" To: Scott Adams Subject: Re: [pnpgm] Sheets/Bounces Hi Scott, See previous email. I am moving to gmail. Mark Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Scott Adams wrote: See I feel bad for you doing such. But no on bounces. I hate for you to lose a yahoo acct for other things or lists or conversations...sigh At 06:20 PM 11/15/2016, you wrote: >Ok. Time for a gmail acct. Those don't have bounces, do they? > >Sent from >Yahoo Mail on Android > >On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Scott Adams > wrote: > * Sheet > > Well looks like majority like sheets but its unscientific at > this point. Just skimmed posts. > > I agree that spreadsheets would help the math and be more accurate. > However there are issues. As I outlined with a basic sheet little > issue but with all these magic toys on each sheet the sheet would > have to reflect the various aspects of said items. > > Now its in Notes under Sheet Modifications. Easy to find. > But in a spreadsheet you'd have to have duplicate fields to take > all this into account. This will be a bit more confusing and > harder to figure out. > > I am open and game to sheets. But you guys must understand > spreadsheets are only part of it. Text will still be used > for equipment notes and all that. So there will be 2 versions > of said sheets. This will add to overall book keeping. But > in theory speed up for the math. including spending CPs > in real time which is fine. > > But I will still need to reference text version to check > items and immunities and all that. This back and forth with > sheets is faster. But with spreadsheets I'll have to load > openoffice and then the new sheets and have more windows open. > Again not a factor is majority wish it. But this will increase > my ovrall production time. So more time needed for updates > and such. Though once use to such it might go fast and > the math is done for you. > > So there are pros and cons for this new spreadsheet format. > > * Pro: > A) Real time math calculations > B) use of CPs in real time. > > * Con > A) Higher overhead production time. > B) More book work (windows in essence) > C) Double versions (text and spreadsheet) to dole out > > Once adventure is over i can delve into this spreadsheet > format (it'd have to be openoffice. I have excel '97 > on this old machine but new machine has open office so > that will also be a factor moving sheet to the othe rsoftware). > I've not approved this yet but it is looking intriguing. > > * Yahoo > > Today was a banner day in bounces. I had 53 bounces ijust > had to sit and delete in one day. This was when Pyan posted > once and Mark 4-5 times. Both use Yahoo. Mark switched to > a new email address but still using yahoo so bounces are not > fixed by switching to a new yahoo from the yahoo domain. > > Now this is not a big deal i can delete it. Though it > does build up email size to later trash. This issue wiht > yahoo is not new. It happened when Chion posted and he > had yahoo. I've studied the bounces for years and have no > clue why other than suspect that yahoo is either spamming > the list with the 'normal' posts and thus its blocked on > list OR its malware on yahoo's end that is doing this. > > My gut is that soem how spam is being sent out piggyback on > any yahoo related email accounts. You may not see this but > it does happen. > > The list itself has issues and is not perfect. Today I got > 4-5 from Mark but one of his posts on Archives did not come > to me in email (one on sheet format). i had to go to archives > as I do often and check for missing posts. > > I hear that yahoo has issues with gmail accounts but not confirmed. > > Don aka Mae reports his email doesn't get posts but that may > be on his end as it seems the list is working correctly. I > can see one or two posts. Like today I missed 1 from Mark > and I will often lost 1 from pyan every so often. > > This is why I check archives before every update work. The > main pnp list (not pnpgm) is same thing where I'll miss some > posts and i see folks replying to it. So list is great but > not perfect an dhard to track down issues. I still think its > far FAR more reliable than other formats. Wout has done a great > job there. > > So solutions for yahoo? I dunno. I suggest those using yahoo > contact yahoo for solutions or scan of their emails. Maybe use > another email service. Frankly I've used computers since '83. > The free email services have always been unreliable. Hotmail, > gmail and yahoo for example. But it seems yahoo is the most while > the others seem fine at least on my end as bounces. I still > think ISP emails are far more reliable than free ones. But > that is my opinion. I know my comcast is reliable on the > 5 email slots they allow. > > Should i not allow future yahoo? Maybe. I am not a mean GM > and censor stuff like that. i can deal with it and delete > the 50 spam bounces. :) > > But we move on I'd love to resolve this but I don't think we > can as long as folks use yahoo. And i will NOT force folks > to change its not in my nature. But i wanted to just let > you know 53 bounces in 1 day is a banner day record. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pnpgm mailing list >pnpgm@list.powersandperils.org >http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnpgm